tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post4628775112222940914..comments2024-03-18T12:08:34.408-04:00Comments on TV Republik: RECAP: Beauty and the Beast – Season 2 Episode 13– Till DeathTVEmpresshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-54228194528797384372019-07-21T07:42:44.180-04:002019-07-21T07:42:44.180-04:00I agree with you it does not make any sense!!I agree with you it does not make any sense!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11607298960198086544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-10338833006623855732015-04-03T02:48:50.053-04:002015-04-03T02:48:50.053-04:00" Cat runs into Vincent. He looks nervous and..." Cat runs into Vincent. He looks nervous and in pain. I guess it is not so easy to “stay away from Catherine” when the universe keeps pulling them together. It’s clear he doesn’t know how to be around her anymore… which is sort of sweet [and sad]. In addition, he can’t say “no” to her so he reluctantly agrees to come to the vow renewal." YES <br />Also, I hate how Cat is all we're friends. Help me see if Gabe is doing something sketchy. The guy is clearly in pain. He hates having to be exposed to her and Gabe. I feel so bad for him. I feel bad for both of them when they have to watch the other with someone else. Hated the Cat and gabe makeout scene. GROSS. Sidenote: is it awkward for KK to have to kiss Sendhil after being his friend for so long and do it in front of her other friend who she regularly kisses on the show. Acting must be so weird...I think it might be easier to kiss a stranger than all of a sudden have to kiss your good friend (assuming the cast is all good friends)<br />Also, I was shocked Tess and JT hooked up. I would have preferred it to happen later in the series, but I don't mind it. I don't love it, but again not a big deal to me. Hated the kiss between C and G. I think Cat was okay being with Gabe bc he didn't occupy her time, consume her life, or make her fear losing him. She had that with V and it scared her and made her feel vulnerable. Too bad loving someone (romantic or not) is vulnerable bc you are afraid of losing them. If you are in a relationship with someone that you feel meh about, get out. LOL Cat's choice of temp love interest does hurt the characters." I am embarrassed at how this "Cabe" pairing has affected me! I mean, I'm a 64 year old chic, for beastie sake! And this is all make believe! But that's the power of our wonderful show." YESSS I can sympathize with this."This episode was a difficult one for me, because I felt betrayed by the producers Sherri and Jennifer. They had tweeted to the Beasties that 'there would be romance for Valentine's'. And then it was 'romance' (yuk) with Gabe (double yuk). I was so disappointed and felt so bad that I have a hard time moving past this cruel betrayal. They knew quite well by then how most fans felt about where this plotline was going and if they could not stop BK to go there, they should at least refrain from taunting us" I agree with this to a point except I would say misleading instead of taunting us. I didn't get at all that this was romantic. " I think the triangles that actually work come 1) Before the "meant to be" relationship starts and 2) Are resolved quickly. At least these triangles didn't last forever... some shows have them going for years! " YESSS Good positive point. And we have gotten a lot of things other fans haven't-2 beautiful love scenes in season 1, 2 amazing 1st and second kisses in season 1, and just all the intense looks of season 1. and the whole I want to spend the rest of my life with you. Some shows end before any of that. And some shows never make that stuff believable bc the chemistry isn't there I'll always be grateful for BATB for those things.<br />It was another painful episode. Dear god. 3 more...Nicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-27895286178706310322014-11-12T14:10:23.338-04:002014-11-12T14:10:23.338-04:00A lot of talk about triangles lately, thanks to ev...A lot of talk about triangles lately, thanks to everyone for sharing your views. I just wanted to expand a little on how I feel about it (love triangles). I really don't think they appeal to a particular demographic. I wouldn't say teenagers want triangles necessarily... maybe they tolerate them more... I don't know. I am not a teenager and I don't mind triangles per se. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't (in this case it didn't ). I think the triangles that actually work come 1) Before the "meant to be" relationship starts and 2) Are resolved quickly. At least these triangles didn't last forever... some shows have them going for years! and that is annoying as hell. I still believe a triangle V-C-unimportant innocent dude wouldn't have been so bad for a couple of eps. Give Cat the chance to experience "normal" and realize it doesn't make her happy. But yeah, we got nothing from these relationships except for a lot of confusing storylines... TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-9549064626562971232014-11-12T09:50:48.083-04:002014-11-12T09:50:48.083-04:00I think when it came to Sam, Vincent's inconsi...I think when it came to Sam, Vincent's inconsistencies when it came to his powers can be attributed to the fact that Sam was very knowledgeable when it came to beasts and could counteract some of their powers, like in some cases he could not trek Sam using beast powers because he could hide his scent. This was another episode that was difficult for me to watch, maybe because I still had memories of the previous valentine episode with the flash mob, so maybe I was expecting something equally romantic. And what is it with those 2, I just realised that they were not together as well the previous V day because Alex had happened and this time it was Tori. A far as the Gabe and Vincent’s Conversation in the garden I found that awkward and uncomfortable to listen to because it just seemed like both Vincent and Gabe were trying too hard and not being honest to themselves and putting up a front, pretending to be happy for one another. Vincent’s martyr attitude could also be annoying at times; sometimes it caused more damage that good. I could understand him wanting to give Cat space to move on but acting like a cheerleader for Gabe was something else. It was like everyone had become proGabe all of a sudden, I suppose they believed that all his past mistakes was a result of the past trauma which was a result of him having lived most of his life as a beast and everyone wanted to give him a second chance and it seems as has always been Gabe’s nature he wanted to take everything and make it his own as he was used to calling the shots. He could never sacrifice anything for anyone which I think maybe a point the writers were trying to put across, it may have been lost along the way. I think that at the start od season 2 he may have genuinely been trying to re-invent himself. As for triangles I think it may have taken them a while to realise that the average viewer is not the teenager who can tolerate love triangles as with the other CW shows like 90210 and Gossip Girl. I watched those, but the constant switching of girlfriends and boyfriends annoyed me then because it kind of meant that the characters had no depth which I think is not something people expect from a show like BATB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-13765746136162385202014-11-12T04:22:49.502-04:002014-11-12T04:22:49.502-04:00Oh... I like this Lauren Bacall idea! And yes... t...Oh... I like this Lauren Bacall idea! And yes... the rules for V's abilities were as unclear as they could get! I feel they were even clearer (and simpler) in S1.... I am among the few that liked the former beast better ... but I do understand the practical implications of the simpler beastTVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-15408151996524642572014-11-10T14:10:39.478-04:002014-11-10T14:10:39.478-04:00Welcome, Barbara, and so true! It's lovely bei...Welcome, Barbara, and so true! It's lovely being a part of our worldwide beastie sistahood! xxAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09863363857867544760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-42416658001927180532014-11-10T03:44:00.151-04:002014-11-10T03:44:00.151-04:00Thanks for replying Denise. I put the 'older&#...Thanks for replying Denise. I put the 'older' in brackets, but of course I meant 'more mature'. LOL.<br /><br />Not only does this show unite so many passionate fans of all ages, it also spans the globe. It is amazing how many followers from all over the world are populating the different boards. <br /><br />Point in fact, I am sitting here in Germany and post this during my breakfast, while you are still asleep in NY.Barbara Crawfordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-37925143027151375352014-11-10T00:10:47.979-04:002014-11-10T00:10:47.979-04:00You wrote: "Please dreamcast your male or fem...You wrote: "Please dreamcast your male or female Octogenarian beast in the comments"<br /><br />When this episode first aired, I pictured the lovely Laruen Bacall as the perfect female beast. Her husky voice and her sultry style would have knocked their socks off. RIP, Ms. Bacall.<br /><br />I agree with all the posters who mention Vincent's on again off again special powers. Unfortunately, it has been going on since early in season 1. Whatever was convenient for the script rather than continuity. <br /><br />Thank you for a fun recap, I watched the episode after I read your review. Like most of episodes it is better with subsequent watching. <br /><br />Marsha<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-51699295336322325692014-11-09T16:46:39.846-04:002014-11-09T16:46:39.846-04:00Word on the totally lazy writing. Vincent's po...Word on the totally lazy writing. Vincent's powers/non-powers have been inconsistent throughout the whole season 2. First, Tori. We are led to believe she has this uncontrollable power over Vincent, but we never see much it except the first episode when she's introduced and that silly Thanksgiving episode when he couldn't control his urge to kiss her. After that, Vincent didn't seem to be under her "spell" much. One minute, he couldn't keep his lips/hands off her, and the next..they are walking side by side and NOTHING. To me, it played out as another excuse for Vincent to engage in another relationship. Vincent did what he wanted to do most of the timenand she wasn't around when he carelessly crashed Cat's car rendering her unconscious and not checking to see if she was ok. Nor was she there when he made the choice that he wanted to kill Reynolds until Cat shot him. She also wasn't around when he was nasty to Cat at the Russian consulate. Once again, the writers did a disservice to fans on not exactly clarifying what type of relationship Vincent/Tori really had and what exactly her "power" over him was. And when exactly did this "hold" start to fade on Vincent? That was never made clear. <br /><br />You can argue the gem may have helped, but it's doubtful. The gem, we were led to believe only stopped beast powers which again is another problem for me. Sometimes the gem appears to work and sometimes it doesn't. Vincent got his butt beat when he had the gem on him in Held Hostage causing him to toss it away. But yet, he super speeds with the gem at the Russian consulate and super speeds away when he ran off with it in "Beast is the new Black". Just like the writers, the gem only works right when the story allows it too. Another example of the writers not knowing what they want to do and where they want things to go. Who cares about continuity or about things making sense, right?<br /><br />Speaking on this episode, this was another miss for me. Sherri/Jennifer promised romance. What they failed to say was that romance had nothing to do with VinCat. They played it up like it was gonna be the greatest thing ever and it ended up being a huge disappointment. Like others, I hated the love triangles but if they were gonna go there..I would have preferred Catherine be with someone NOT NAMED GABE. If Vincent was gonna have some beast girl friend, why couldn't Cat have some normal guy to explore a relationship with? A guy that had nothing to do with beasts, just some normal dude that could have presented some actual interesting conflict for Catherine. A guy that was normal would have been at least a legitimate threat to the VinCat relationship. Writing was on the wall that Gabe would eventually turn out bad when VinCat got back together, writers could have been a little less predictable with another love interest for Cat that wasn't Gabe. Maybe the reunion between Vincat would also have played out better with some other guy in the mix and not the rushed, hot mess it was in 216. I would have taken Patrick for some brief fling, at least there was some chemistry there. Why the writers thought the Gabe/Cat pairing would ever work or even be believable is beyond me. The only thing I can think of is they decided that they already screwed up Vincent's character, why not do it with Cat too? Seriously, that's the only way any of this Gabe/Cat mess makes any logical sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-74124794326211040862014-11-09T13:09:07.548-04:002014-11-09T13:09:07.548-04:00Hey, Barbara! Soooo nice to know there is another...Hey, Barbara! Soooo nice to know there is another "mature" fangirl out there!, lol! I totally agree with what you say and think that is spot n for feeling the way we do about our wonderful show. Thx hun!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09863363857867544760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-48773593472489059522014-11-09T06:57:30.794-04:002014-11-09T06:57:30.794-04:00And agree with episode 17... it was one of the gre...And agree with episode 17... it was one of the great ones. TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-807905353402695632014-11-09T06:56:53.735-04:002014-11-09T06:56:53.735-04:00I think the big mistake was the moment they decide...I think the big mistake was the moment they decided Gabe was going to be the "love interest". It should have never happened and once they committed to it they didn't know where to go because... well bc it didn't make sense! I wonder whose idea it was and why no-one brought up the very obvious arguments we keep mentioning. TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-79381894619026878662014-11-09T03:47:37.996-04:002014-11-09T03:47:37.996-04:00Oh, and I forgot something I wanted to say about V...Oh, and I forgot something I wanted to say about Vincent being at the precinct during the interview with Sam. <br /><br />He tells Sam that he is a human lie detector, but then he does not catch Sam at his lie about his involvement in the experiments on these orphans and that he, Sam, was the one who ordered them killed and incinerated. Nor does he notice the lie about Gabe being at the dungeon as one of the baddies.<br /><br />Earlier, he binds the wound on Sam's arm, but does NOT catch him lying either, when Sam spins this tale about being attacked. Vincent sits very close to Sam at the time, so he should hear his heart beat or feel him being nervous, sweating or whatever it is that enables him to detect that somebody is lying. But nothing.<br /><br />It is very lazy writing to have Vincent's abilities be there or NOT be there whenever it fits the plot. And we are not given any kind of explanation. Later, at least when he cannot track Sam, he says that Sam is using some kind of scent killer. Well, at least that is some kind of explanation.<br /><br />And in 216 Vincent's lie detector skills are back when he senses the judge is lying and hiding something and he can even sense when Catherine is lying to him though the phone. All because the plot dictates it. Seriously writers?Barbara Crawfordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-90318461073871449692014-11-09T03:31:23.449-04:002014-11-09T03:31:23.449-04:00Hello Denise. Thanks for coming out with your age,...Hello Denise. Thanks for coming out with your age, because I am right up there with you - I am 61 and just as passionate about this show as any teenager about a boy group. LOL.<br /><br />I think what the CW channel and the show runners/writers did not (and maybe still do not) know is that this show is not only appealing to a younger audience, but to a much 'older' age group as well. And for us a lot of this stupid love triangle drama does NOT appeal. This 'tit for tad', this 'behaving like Mr. & Mrs. Smith', these physical and mental abuses. We have seen so many shows on tv that did all that - and did it better - and then we found this 'gem' of a show and we went on this season one journey with these exceptional actors and loved it - passionately.<br /><br />Our age group has some life experience and maybe just wants to have a 'feel good' show and not the angst and depression that followed us through half of season two. <br /><br />I do not mean that they should sit on the fire escape and look into each other's eyes and hold hands ALL the time, but looking back on season one, we had plenty of dramatic moments and obstacles, but at the end of the day we got closure and understanding and ROMANCE. They talked and learned and grew through each other and with each other. A lot of that is missing in season two.<br /><br />All my own opinion, of course, I was NOT elected speaker for my age group. BarbaraBarbara Crawfordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-23712596768089566112014-11-08T15:30:39.688-04:002014-11-08T15:30:39.688-04:00completely agree with your review again and enjoy ...completely agree with your review again and enjoy reading it very much!<br />what you said about Gabe and why his character was ruined in s2 i couldnt agree more with. the only time in s2 when i actually liked gabe cause he was depicted as a complex character was eppisode 19 i think - the one when he kills the witness. how difficult was it to do that throughout s2 and create a believable character,,,<br />also agree completely about him being the completely wrong oerson for a love interest - it diminished cats character plus made for example vincents lines in say this episode non believable<br />i think my fav episode of s2 is 17 - loved the writing in 17 and knowing sherri and jennifer who wrote 17 also wrote 13 was a bit disappointing - yes there were good parts but there were bad parts too - overall the writing i felt was indifferent<br />didnt hate the episode but not one i would care to rewatch a lot though it had some really good scenes, the ones you also mentioned<br />cant wait for your 14 reviewAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17253039135220005721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-88972676792810274812014-11-08T12:46:55.047-04:002014-11-08T12:46:55.047-04:00Welcome my dear. Welcome my dear. DenisefromNYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-4717199975031147552014-11-08T05:29:22.539-04:002014-11-08T05:29:22.539-04:00Wonderful, funny and insightful review. Thank you ...Wonderful, funny and insightful review. Thank you so much for these highlights every week. <br /><br />This episode was a difficult one for me, because I felt betrayed by the producers Sherri and Jennifer. They had tweeted to the Beasties that 'there would be romance for Valentine's'. And then it was 'romance' (yuk) with Gabe (double yuk). I was so disappointed and felt so bad that I have a hard time moving past this cruel betrayal. They knew quite well by then how most fans felt about where this plotline was going and if they could not stop BK to go there, they should at least refrain from taunting us.<br /><br />Absolutely, totally, wholeheartedly agree about Gabe being WRONG WRONG as a love interest for Catherine - no surprise there since I have said it many times. I cannot believe that after the flashback in the dungeon, she proceeds with it. And when she tells Gabe about why she has trust issues, she only mildly reminds him that 'he locked her up'. Well, newsflash for the IMPOSTER Catherine, he did not only lock you up: he tried to KILL you and Vincent and there is no statute of limitations for that - EVER. <br /><br />Then there is the issue about Catherine having to 'grovel' to Gabe in order to get him back. That was a WTH moment for me, too. I cringe every time I get to that spot when re-watching this episode. <br /><br />But of course I am still here and still watching for KK and JR and that will never change.<br /><br />One more thing: in this episode it was clear (at least to me) that BK and his writers were playing a dirty game with the fans. They made it look like Catherine was wavering and giving Vincent an opening (like you said above) and many fans were cheering at that point. But then he stepped back and did not take her up on it. On the contrary, he became Gabe's supporter and pushed Catherine towards him (barfworthy). IMO that was very cruel and it gets even worse in the next episode.<br /><br />BarbaraBarbara Crawfordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-28283454180610427162014-11-08T04:58:28.592-04:002014-11-08T04:58:28.592-04:00Thank you Yvonne, and I agree w/everything you sai...Thank you Yvonne, and I agree w/everything you said... That's exactly what I was thinking. And so true about JT... I think Austin can make pretty much any line work, but with a different actor those lines would have been awful! Since when is geeky JT obsessed with pop culture and musicals? The Dr. Jekyll line in the next ep makes much more sense! TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-41373942981148703802014-11-08T04:52:08.894-04:002014-11-08T04:52:08.894-04:00Thanks for the humorous and insightful review. You...Thanks for the humorous and insightful review. You noted so many things that was subtextual in the episode. That Dana was a profiler and should have some skills in people assessment is a great observation. There are several strange things there: in the hostage situation Dana hones in on Tess' unresolved birthday issues (!) instead of anything useful, say the behavior of the hostage takers, she can't see Cath is in love with Vincent but thinks it is Gabe even though it is obvious he is just a rebound, Dana herself is married to a nutty murderer who allowed scientific experiments on their son.<br /><br />You wrote: 'nothing screams depressed like a gigantic robe', I laughed my head off. To think that they tried to sell us the romantic (as Cath would have called it) relation between Tori and Vincent while dressed in big, fluffy robes. Especially Vincent ... Jay uses eating as others use romantic gestures, when 'he was eating the hell out of that sandwich' dangling his bare feet. Just that scene makes the whole episode worth while. That and his simple proclamation in support of JT: 'I like balloons'. And the scene with the bomb, where Vincent is so calm and Gabe is so scared, the message there to the viewers was you may not be able to trust Gabe but you can always trust Vincent to do the right thing. And then Gabe's grand gestures, WTH? Coffee? Really? A banners for Tess? Okay I have to reluctantly admit that a trip to Mexico is somewhat grand but Cath behaves as if it is building the Taj Mahal for her. Cath doesn't even thank Vincent for saving them but instead kisses Gabe for some (unknown) reason. Besides, here is when I am starting to distrust Gabe for real, no good guy on tv ever whines about how much he has sacrificed for the girl. So at the same time hints are given to the viewers that Gabe is not to trust, Cath is supposed to be falling for this guy. <br /><br /> Jay can even make a dungeon seem hot - while being very careful never to touch Cath or saying anything intimate. We know that Vincent is always ready to take the blame for everything, this time it is for Cath's inability to trust the man who, I don't know, tried to kill her? It is ridiculous, there are plenty of factors that we all know only too well (like the chosen careers of mom and bio-dad) but for some reason those are never even mentioned by the characters. <br /><br />JT has several strange comments in this episode, sending balloons for Heaven's sake, 'Brangelina' and the Les Miserable reference, what have the writers done to the brainy whiz kid that we all love? <br /><br />And lastly: 'consensual sex'. You have a way with words, TV-Empress.yvonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951122882739058919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-15005410571670684252014-11-08T04:12:50.261-04:002014-11-08T04:12:50.261-04:00Thanks Denise, glad you enjoy my perspective. Thanks Denise, glad you enjoy my perspective. TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-7549875329366618132014-11-07T21:19:18.935-04:002014-11-07T21:19:18.935-04:00Vincent jumped in bed so easily with other first ,...Vincent jumped in bed so easily with other first ,he had no right to get the free pass and have Cat take him back .The first time it happened in season one,Cat just took him back him so damn easily, we can't believe it.After he just chose Alex and kinda almost bone her too in the woods.At least season 2 Cat had more self respect than let the cheater define her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-45300921079184273582014-11-07T18:13:59.884-04:002014-11-07T18:13:59.884-04:00Thank you so much, Akex, for a great review. This ...Thank you so much, Akex, for a great review. This was the episode that gutted me this season (as well as the ending to Don't Die On Me). I can't rewatch it but your review helps me to understand Cat's motivation to be with he who shall remain nameless. I am embarrassed at how this "Cabe" pairing has affected me! I mean, I'm a 64 year old chic, for beastie sake! And this is all make believe! But that's the power of our wonderful show. Ok, enough about me. Thank you, thank you for a wonderful, insightful, and very funny review. Spot on , as usual! Can't wait for next week's! DenisefromNYnoreply@blogger.com