tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post3881882236196527044..comments2024-03-26T05:16:17.432-04:00Comments on TV Republik: RECAP: Beauty and the Beast – Season 2 Episode 11– Held HostageTVEmpresshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-81757920806574160322015-05-08T03:13:41.552-04:002015-05-08T03:13:41.552-04:00You must be in denial because it's pretty obvi...You must be in denial because it's pretty obvious that not only was Tori living with Vincent, but they were in fact in a sexual relationship. When Vincent said he needed to take a break, where did she go? She went straight to the boat house probably to pick up her things. Spare robe? LOL. She said it herself, "sneaking out of bed to call Catherine". It was fairly straight forward from that point on what was going on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-33381777260376620192015-04-03T00:44:49.833-04:002015-04-03T00:44:49.833-04:00I loved that V pointed out ow he had been betrayed...I loved that V pointed out ow he had been betrayed and screwed over by so many people, even Cat in some cases. He has a right to distrust her. I loved Cat's hallway whisper apology. I do think she needed to apologize. Hell, I still wish she would apologize for the Gabe mess. If not to V, at least to me. LOL I don't like what Cat said to Gabe at the end. It was like she was moving on and saying hey I get why I was into V, but over it now. Give me a week and you won't be my rebound, which was heartbreaking. He should have been her rebound. Ugh the writers. I mean he technically is still a rebound in my mind because they started dating really soon after her long relationship with V ended. " To this day I do NOT understand why Brad Kern thought that they would 'find out who they are' in other relationships." I agree with that! It would have been a stronger storyline if they were separated and single or doing a lot of first dates and not a relationship. I don't think Cat is ever the secon choice, but I agree it could be taken that way based on the writing. V made it clear to Tori he wanted her to back off and stay away before she died. She died trying to prove herself to him so he would take her back, but obviously she died so it didn't matter if she proved herself to be good or not. Dude, we never heard that V and T lived together. Why would Tori live with V? She had this sweet penthouse. She's rich ya'll. I think she just stayed over a lot. I mean she followed him everywhere else. Why wouldn't she follow him at night home? Also, Gabe spent an inordinate amount of time at Cat's place, too. It made me sick. Also, wearing a robe in someone else's house doesn't mean you live there. It could be a spare robe V had. She could have showered there or swam in the ocean or just woken up. Gross. LOL Funny how people have such different takes. :) I think V made mistakes, but he never said things about Cat that made me question him being with her as much. I feel like she is the love of his life although the writers were sloppy in making it look like he might have chose Cat just bc Alex ditched him. I don't think that's the case though. Cat is the one who was like oh I just felt like I owed him or I felt responsible for him or our relationship was destructive or I just was with him bc I like to fix bad boys. UMMM WTH to both of them. I disliked the points you bring up, too, but C is not innocent in my eyes either.Nicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-59268680049243844802014-10-30T07:55:55.352-04:002014-10-30T07:55:55.352-04:00Agree with both of your comments about Catherine b...Agree with both of your comments about Catherine being second choice both time. The writers thought they were being very clever the second time and had Vincent brake up with Tori in front of the Guild (happens in the next episode still to be reviewed. Sorry, but it fits into THIS discussion!) But only the audience gets to see and hear this, nobody else, especially NOT Catherine. So as far as she knows, this current redhead is no longer an option for Vincent (because this one dies) and within 5 seconds after her death he turns to Catherine AGAIN. So, even though I absolutely hate her getting together with 'I cannot even say his name' I do understand why she turned to him at the end of the next episode. I totally hate this storyline - could have been so wonderful without these two getting in the way. To this day I do NOT understand why Brad Kern thought that they would 'find out who they are' in other relationships. At age 30 (Catherine) and close to 40 (Vincent) people should KNOW who they are and what they want in life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-12635646138648074762014-10-29T15:23:57.175-04:002014-10-29T15:23:57.175-04:00NO cat should never apologize NO cat should never apologize Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-22062556749025184282014-10-29T14:15:34.206-04:002014-10-29T14:15:34.206-04:00sorry I don't blame Catherine at all. Even if ...sorry I don't blame Catherine at all. Even if Vincent changed he treated her like crap. twice Vincent turned towards another woman and pushed Catherine away. He never made her his first priority. I felt it was time for Catherine to move on wheather with gabe or not. At least Catherine never lived with gabe like Vincent did with tori. Vincent should have been the one to apologize and stop blaming cat for her families mistakes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-2476834003057206972014-10-29T07:08:40.878-04:002014-10-29T07:08:40.878-04:00I have to agree somewhat about Cat often looking l...I have to agree somewhat about Cat often looking like the second choice for Vincent a lot. Writers told us the Alex/Tori story lines would play out differently but I really didn't see much difference except for the fact that Alex seemed a bit more sympathetic. In both cases, Vincent turned towards the red head pretty pretty quickly. Whether it's bad influence or not, it makes Vincent look pretty shallow. After all, the minute he started having problems with Alex, it didn't take long for him to have a fling with that Gabriella chick (who supposedly fell in love with him). It makes Vincent look like a flake. Sorry but it's true. Also, in both cases it took the red head to let him know that he was in love with Cat. Really writers, again? And why does it take either red head leaving or dying for him to come crawling back? Only thing worse is Vincent/Tori actually had a sexual relationship in which they were living together. Yuck. Anyway, I digress. I don't think I'll ever care for or understand fully what the writers intended for this story line. All I know is it left a lot of people unhappy and we never regained those viewers back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-31920169856526575762014-10-28T18:00:16.232-04:002014-10-28T18:00:16.232-04:00I don't think Cat should have apologized for a...I don't think Cat should have apologized for anything. VINCENT should have apologized to Cat. He's the one that cheated on Cat with the Tori kiss at her own father's home. How disrespectful. I know he had beastly attraction or whatever but VINCAT love should be able to overcome anything. There was no beastly attraction shown after. The writer confirmed the VinTori kiss was not on purpose to push Cat away. It was just Vincent cheating. Vincent then chose his Beast side against Cat's pleas for the human side. He's always let Cat down. Suddenly Tori is dead and now he's hot on Cat's tail. Why does Vincent ALWAYS make Cat the default second choice when Alex and Tori leave/die. Cat deserves better than Vincent. It's why so many fans left. This is not epic love when Cat is made to be leftovers for Vincent to screw after he has no other option. Cat deserves happiness and someone that loves her who is faithful. Cat's sacrificed her job, lied to her friends/family, left her life to be with Vincent. I want to see Vincent's sacrifice and appreciation for once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-41564441197699646822014-10-28T15:18:52.079-04:002014-10-28T15:18:52.079-04:00You are absolutely right Irene, Gabe did shoot Vin...You are absolutely right Irene, Gabe did shoot Vincent... but just a tranq gun... <br /><br />About Tori, I often wonder if they did more harm than good by cutting those scenes out of fear to disgust the fans... the problem is... they had an awful actress, so the scenes prob wouldn't have worked on any level. To pull a storyline like the one they had "planned" for Tori they needed a extremely strong actress... and they got anything but. But... I refuse for her to ruin the entire season for me. There is still a lot I liked! TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-68028782907496485752014-10-28T04:19:30.150-04:002014-10-28T04:19:30.150-04:00It was an awesome scene... Wait for next week'...It was an awesome scene... Wait for next week's recap :)TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-6766469551018053232014-10-28T01:32:53.197-04:002014-10-28T01:32:53.197-04:00As always spot on! Great recap.
This was the epis...As always spot on! Great recap.<br /><br />This was the episode where we had been fed two pictures of Vincent and Tori, that created a storm amongst Beasties, and then those scenes were cut out. I hope that they are included as deleted scenes on the DVD, because I think they are important in order to understand their relation.<br /><br />And you are wrong. Gabe has also shot Vincent. He fired the last tranq in the first episode this season, when JT was turned the wrong way as Vincent appeared the third time.<br /><br />I actually liked Tori's cockiness about the primal connection, however poor the acting was. I can understand her. As JT proclaimed her high hopes about her relation with Vincent last episode, something Vincent didn't really appreciate, I do understand her wish to fight for the only man she believed she could rely on. That doesn't mean I like the storyline, but hey, quoting Vincent from season one, we are dealing the cards we were delt, and we weren't delt a good hand this season....<br /><br />Looking forward to your next recap!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876306179699889212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-57165063918989108292014-10-27T21:30:42.768-04:002014-10-27T21:30:42.768-04:00That's one of my favorite scenes from the enti...That's one of my favorite scenes from the entire series! It's so perfect, from JT's guilt to the betrayal and tears in Vincent's eyes, to the immediate forgiveness and understanding, to JT's confusion. I love every second of that scene.Sarah Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09788155683857492789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-62062537126621902002014-10-25T16:43:48.497-04:002014-10-25T16:43:48.497-04:00Thank you for your review. It was quite fun to rea...Thank you for your review. It was quite fun to read. You keep my humor up while this endless waiting for season three threatens to my spirits to plummet. At first bloom, I loved this episode. It was only after the childish way the plot was drawn that I felt a little let down. But it was better than many of the earlier episodes. The dialog between our two leads was really good, and I could have settled for that. But then they thrown in one repeated word that kept pounding in my head throughout. If I heard "unresolved" one more time, I think I would scream. Actually forcing JR to have to repeat such a trite line "this is an abuse of power!" And the swat team saying that the hostage takers would bond with the hostages. What? Who writes such corny lines?<br /><br />It was about time Catherine apologized to Vincent, even if it was her murderous, evil, parents who did the damage. She never considered him a victim, always ready to blame him instead. Of course, she was corrupted by the snake charmer Gabe who insisted that being a beast was all Vincent could ever be while he, Gabe, could purchase birthday banners like the redeemed noble person he is portraying. Her melting into him was nauseating but as it gets worse, I had to stoically disregard her advances. I have never seen a man so determined to keep from kissing. He looks as if he is repulsed by her and trying to find a polite way to just say no. <br /><br />I can't decide who is the poorer character, the terrible Tori or the grimacing Gabe. <br /><br />Thank you again for giving me some BATB to hold onto. <br /><br />Marsha<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-37230972164555912014-10-25T16:40:40.831-04:002014-10-25T16:40:40.831-04:00Here we have Vincent trying to come to terms with ...Here we have Vincent trying to come to terms with himself as a beast and a human and the upheavals in his life, and we are supposed to be interested in and even impressed with how Gabe organizes Tess' birthday party? Why is the boss doing that BTW? If he does that for every employee he wouldn't have time for much else. But of course he doesn't, it is just a gesture to impress Cath. <br /><br />Gabe is starting to look very passive-aggressive, just look at the way he pretends not to know anything about cutting the power, as you know TV-Empress from your extensive viewing, it is the first thing to do in a hostage situation so it seems very dense of him not to know. Even Cath gets impatient with him about that.<br /><br />The most interesting character is Vincent, after the upheaval of his life he is beginning to show signs of coming to terms with himself. Jay portrays this insight with skill and humor, as always he manages to make every step of the journey look logical and understandable even when the script and plot lets us down.<br /><br />Yvonne<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-4531166818921094002014-10-25T13:54:20.510-04:002014-10-25T13:54:20.510-04:00Loved your review as always and I am fully in agre...Loved your review as always and I am fully in agreement (and more) with your Tori dislike. Still bitter about the fact that she was even there in season 2, just like Gabe did NOT need to be there AT ALL. They could have told the same story without these two characters spoiling things.<br /><br />I like the episode because it was a game changer and the beginning of the road back to each other. I understand that Vincent had a lot of anger inside of him, but IMO it was not fair to lay it all at Catherine's door - she did not chose to be born into her familiy and did not deserve to be made to feel even worse about that. She felt plenty bad in season one after finding out that her mother was involved with turning Vincent into what he was. And it was Vincent who said: 'she was not all that bad.' Guess his memory returned selectively (or the writer failed to watch season one carefully.)<br /><br />After viewing the episode many many times, there are some things that grate a bit:<br /><br />1. a bit of a strech that the bad guys happen to have uniforms in the trunk of their car, just in case detectives show up to spoil their 'boat-storming-plans' and they have to relocate to the precinct.<br />2. Dana sends in a MAN to take a piece of clothing/jewelry from a WOMAN - by force!!!! Cannot happen in reality.<br />3. Vincent does not offer to at least take Catherine's cuffs off or her asking for him to do it, even if he will not help her - very strange behavior<br />4. a helicopter flying in NYC (after 9/11) low enough to shoot somebody on the ground floor inside a police precinct - not happening!<br /><br />I know it is hard to write episodes for only 40 minutes time when you are given directives what all has to happen and where the journey has to go and end in every episode and there will always be plot holes and inconsistencies. It just feels that sometimes less would have been more - not pack so much into every episode and thereby drop or cut a lot of storylines.<br /><br />Having said that, I am still watching and re-watching and looking forward to season three. Addicted and hooked forever and looking forward to next week, even though that was a really bad episode (well at least the first few minutes).<br /><br />Thanks, BarbaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-13003955251955287992014-10-25T12:37:12.472-04:002014-10-25T12:37:12.472-04:00lol!!lol!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17253039135220005721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-21960451930480195332014-10-25T11:13:30.557-04:002014-10-25T11:13:30.557-04:00Well... there is a reason I chose the subtitle &qu...Well... there is a reason I chose the subtitle "Love means sometimes having to say you’re sorry" which is a play on the classic "Love story" line--> "Love means never having to say you're sorry" which always confused me! I think it is impossible to never hurt the ppl you love... even if it is not intentional it is bound to happen at some point. Therefore I don't see the harm in apologizing when you realize you did something wrong... (even if the other person did wrong things to). TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-49660853770792589182014-10-25T11:09:30.973-04:002014-10-25T11:09:30.973-04:00Thank you DeniseThank you DeniseTVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-84792577905134231912014-10-25T11:09:17.104-04:002014-10-25T11:09:17.104-04:00I was wondering if Pamy Sue was staying... so glad...I was wondering if Pamy Sue was staying... so glad to hear she is. She's been there from the beginning and she did a great job with this ep. I hope they give her more eps in S3! As for Recipe... you need to stop anticipating what I am going to say! haha Here is a preview of my next recap:<br /><br />"I just love this scene so much [JT & V scene]. It was the typical “guy apology” they don’t even talk about the huge revelation, they just keep drinking and have a moment of quiet forgiveness. "TVEmpresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324428867353988526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-25187531205999339572014-10-24T18:22:28.924-04:002014-10-24T18:22:28.924-04:00i finally found the time to read your review and e...i finally found the time to read your review and enjoyed it so much, as expected ditto to all. also so funny, love your humour. I loved your reasoning for making them all Ukrainian lol (can't blame u!) :) I am glad Pamy Sue is also in season 3 cause she wrote this episode and i thought did a great job writing wise. Can't wait for the next review - the next episode may not be in my top 10 list but it does have one of my fav scenes (the final J.T. - Vincent interaction) - so goodAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17253039135220005721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-10784910580768364722014-10-24T17:06:06.653-04:002014-10-24T17:06:06.653-04:00I loved your review! So spot on and very funny to...I loved your review! So spot on and very funny too, as always. Thank you!DenisefromNYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-60568917900033769922014-10-24T16:04:14.894-04:002014-10-24T16:04:14.894-04:00I couldn't disagree more! I don't think th...I couldn't disagree more! I don't think there is anything weak or pathetic about acknowledging that you did something wrong or failed to see the whole picture. I think Cat had every reason to feel betrayed, but also I think she was expecting a lot from a man for whom she was basically a stranger (+ he was screwed on every possible way). He also had reason to feel betrayed and conflicted. My point being... I am neither on Cat's side nor Vincent's I understand both, which is one of the reasons I love this show. They are both imperfect. Also Vincent does apologize to Cat in the following episode for endangering her (and everyone else). Cat wasn't "begging" him to "forgive her" just because... she begged him to see past his own issues and help her save the hostages. Saving a bunch of ppl seems like a good motivation to become a little desperate.<br /><br />And finally, I guess some ppl didn't feel Cat should apologize... which I wld understand if someone gave me good reasons... but disliking a scene of an episode doesn't make it a bad episode. Unless... you hated every scene... IDK..... Mairanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2713073643028066347.post-54246450416799195292014-10-24T12:41:52.308-04:002014-10-24T12:41:52.308-04:00I HATE that they made Cat begging and say Apologiz...I HATE that they made Cat begging and say Apologize to Vincent. He was the one who BETRAYED AND ALMOST KILLED HER.<br />So much for girl power, they made Cat look WEAK AND PATHETIC every time she's around V.<br />He never said sorry to her,she begged him plenty of times.<br />Worst episode this season. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com